follow-up on that. >> in this book, it describes the ethics of thew world's religions, and in every religion, it says, "what's the role of women?" and in buddhism, according to hunt, craudi and craudi, a woman cannot receive enlightenment or enter nirvana unless she's born again as a man. so of course, any feminist would object to that because we want to be first-class citizens wherever we are. well, my grandson is studying at a vipassana center in massachusetts, and i think vipassana is mindfulness. and he knew his grandmother was a feminist, so he brought me this wonderful book - it's called, buddhism after patriarchy . and it's by rita gross, and it's a feminist history analysis and reconstruction of buddhism, going back to the original gautama, who did establish a place for women as well as men in his system. >> and you know what you will find - and we've touched on this before; it's the cultural context thing, whatever the limitations are in a culture, they will find their ways into institutionalized religion. and it's a sad case, but as we've seen, you do not have to be a feminist, you